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This page is for those who do not know Cebuano. You can write your questions, comments and suggestions below about the Cebuano Wikipedia, and users will try to answer them. Please note that majority of Cebuano-speakers are conversant only in either English or Filipino (besides their native language, of course).

Itong pahina ay para sa mga hindi nakakapag-Sebwano. Maaaring ilahad ang mga tanong, puna, at mungkahi ukol sa Wikipedya sa Sebwano, at susubukan silang sagutin ng mga manggagamit mula sa Wikipedyang ito. Punahin lamang na ang higit na nakararami sa mga mananalita ng Sebwano ay bihasa sa Filipino o Inggles lamang, kung hindi ikakabilang ang kanilang sariling wika.

Esta página es para los que no hablen cebuano. Abajo puede escribir sus preguntas, comentarios y sugerencias sobre la Wikipedia en cebuano y los usuarios de esta Wikipedia tratarán de contestarlos. Por favor, note que la mayoría de los cebuanohablantes habla sólo filipino o inglés, además de su lengua materna, por supuesto.

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Drawing attention to Wikipedia:Tubaan

Hello. I'm trying to draw attention to a thread I opened over at Wikipedia:Tubaan regarding the deployment of InternetArchiveBot. I welcome user input about whether such a bot is welcome. Please also translate the proposal if possible. Thank you.—CYBERPOWER (talk) 19:02, 19 Abril 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What does this bot do?

Josefwintzent Libot (talk) 11:07, 11 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge : Beyne-Heusay (lungsod) & Beyne-Heusay (parokya)

Hello, sorry for writing in English, please feel free to translate this.

I don't know why Lsjbot made two articles about this municipality but you should merge these ones, delete the disambiguation page and join the result to this element on Wikidata. Regards, Reptilien.19831209BE1 (talk) 06:31, 2 Mayo 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The bot has not made two articles about this municipality. It has made one article about the municipality, and another article about the en:Urban agglomeration with the same name. Administrative units and urban agglomerations are two distinct kinds of entities, and should not be merged, even if they may happen to coincide geographically in some cases. Lsj (talk) 07:21, 2 Mayo 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion over edits made by LTA IPs

I am confused whether or not if the contributions made by 180.191.0.0/16 (all IPs in this range) and 180.190.118.99 are vandalism or not. I reverted the edits of 180.190.118.99 on Dipolog, but undid that revision in confusion. I undid that revision too, I just couldn't tell if it was good or bad faith. Any help? --Zaenon (talk) 03:16, 4 Hunyo 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to mention that the IP and range were globally blocked by RadiX for "Long-term abuse" --Zaenon (talk) 03:18, 4 Hunyo 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK... here on cebwp somebody is adding articles about radio stations, and linking to these articles from the cities where the station is broadcast. Sometimes an IP in that range is used, sometimes an account is created for the purpose. I have not regarded this as vandalism. Should I? Googling a random couple of radio stations, they seem to be legit at least. Lsj (talk) 16:08, 4 Hunyo 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Kløfta (lungsod) and Kløfta

Please merge Kløfta (lungsod) and Kløfta. It's the same village in Norway. Mbch331 (talk) 11:30, 17 Agosto 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Königsbronn (munisipyo) and Königsbronn (kapital sa munisipyo)

It's the same village. dadosch (talk) 28/11/2017

WikiScienceCompetition 2017

Hi! Wiki Science Competition has started, sitenotices have appeared for sure in Spain, Austria, Russian Federation, USA and Ukraine, and Italy will be join very soon with a massive national campaign.

As a member of the academic committee I did my best to reduce the gap between countries both in the composition of the juries and now in the outreach. I did inform many platforms (enwiki, eswiki, frwiki) during the preparation of the event, now I am informing all national institutions, associations and federations of science and technology I can contact, especially those located in countries without national juries (so, also in the Philippines), I am posting notes on LinkedIn groups everyday, and I am contacting national chapters and user groups.. and so on. That's why I am here.

We prepared banners for many countries but on meta they say it is not wise to use them all, so if you want to use the style and do one here on your wiki for few days, just let us know. In your case the banner is not country-specific so it is generic.

Otherwise, if you have social media and you want to inform your friends and colleagues, the twitter hashtags are #WSC2017, #WikiScience2017, #WikiScience

Thank you in advance and whatever you do (join, inform, ignore) have fun!Alexmar983 (talk) 06:03, 4 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Page of Italian city Busto Arsizio

Hello, I'm an Italian user. I noticed that this wiki has 2 voices for the italian city Busto Arsizio: this one, Busto Arsizio (munisipyo), which is correct, and this one, Busto Arsizio (kapital sa munisipyo), that I don't understand, but I think it is wrong or useful. Who can help me to understand the meaning of this second page? Thank you, --Moxmarco (talk) 17:13, 16 Disyembre 2017 (UTC) P.S. If you answer, please tell me also with a message on my discussion. Thank you[reply]

It looks like it's a duplicate entry. I will tag both entries suggesting that they be merged into one article. --Harvzs (talk) 09:31, 19 Disyembre 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you :) --Moxmarco (talk) 11:37, 19 Disyembre 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Italian Language version of your Embassy welcome message

:Questa pagina è per quelli che non conoscono la lingua Cebuana. Potete scrivere le vostre domande, commenti e suggerimenti sulla Wikipedia in Cebuano qui (pagina di discussione), e gli utenti Cebuanofoni proveranno a rispondervi. Prego notare che la maggior parte delle persone che parla Cebuano può solo conversare anche in lingua Inglese o lingua Tagalog.

Wiki Loves Earth Philippines 2018

Wiki Loves Earth 2018 in the Philippines has started! Upload photos of natural heritage sites in the Philippines to help Wikipedia and win fantastic prizes!

This is a list of protected areas of the Philippines administered by the Department of Environment and Natural Resources' Biodiversity Management Bureau under the National Integrated Protected Areas System (NIPAS) Act of 1992. As of 2013, there are 240 protected areas in the Philippines covering a total area of 54,500 square kilometres (21,000 sq mi) – 14.2% of the Philippines' total area.

This is the first year that the Philippines is participating the competition. The local contest will run from May 1 – June 30, 2018, and is being organized by PhilWiki Community members. A writing contest will follow later this year. -Filipinayzd (talk) 11:08, 1 Mayo 2018 (UTC)[reply]

merging Makhtesh Ramon

There is only one Makhtesh Ramon in Israel. Please unify the 3 articles under one name. Thank you, DGtal (talk) 08:24, 11 Hunyo 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Lsj (talk) 07:35, 23 Hulyo 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Geoname error

Article Maderö_(pulo_sa_Suwesya,_lat_59,55,_long_18,60) is based on Geonames 2693257 that has been deleted. Please delete the article so we can clean up Wikidata see d:Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q32289392 - Salgo60 (talk) 22:49, 12 Hulyo 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done (changed to redirect). Lsj (talk) 07:33, 23 Hulyo 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merging two articles

Calverton Executive Airpark and Grumman Peconic River Airport are the same place - one is the former name of the other - see en:Calverton Executive Airpark. I suggest that they are merged together. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:32, 28 Hulyo 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Lsj (talk) 22:58, 28 Hulyo 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dolní Pohleď

The article Dolní Pohleď is completelly mistaken, it confuses at least two different municipalities together and the creator of the article renewed it with all its nonsenses and errors and seems not to be able and willig to verify the content of the article. --ŠJů (talk) 21:55, 13 Agosto 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requests for deletion

Dear sysops, in May 2018, I've posted two requests for deletion due to duplicates[1][2]. Did I make a mistake adding the deletion templates? Thanks & best regards --Dealerofsalvation (talk) 13:10, 21 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: These two duplicates seem to be examples of what was noted in this discussion[3] - for many towns and cities, in Cebuano Wikipedia there seem to be separate articles on the town/city and on its seat of government, which is something that no other Wikipedia language seems to do, and it's causing a lot of extra effort in maintaining the corresponding Wikidata items. What is the Cebuano Wikipedia community's position on that situation? Has there been a discussion about that? --Dealerofsalvation (talk) 14:39, 21 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My opinion is that a human settlement and an administrative unit are two distinct entities that should not be mixed, even when they nearly coincide geographically. The same principle is followed in many cases also on other Wikipedias, see e.g. en:Stockholm and en:Stockholm Municipality on enwp. I have followed that principle when creating the articles. IMHO they should be separate WD items. It has been discussed on a few occasions, for example here, but without clear consensus emerging in the local community. If you wish to merge/redirect the articles, feel free, I will not start an edit war about it. But I am also not going to do work that I regard as wrong and misguided. Lsj (talk) 15:25, 23 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. So far, one question: take the example of Neuler. Which of the articles mentioned there is about the settlement, which of these is about the municipality? Put it differently, what do "munisipyo" and "capital sa munisipyo" mean in English, respectively? --Dealerofsalvation (talk) 18:48, 23 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Munisipyo" is "municipality", the administrative unit. The generic word for human settlement is "lungsod" which is used in a lot of articles, but settlements that are the capital of an administrative unit are called "kapital sa... " (capital of). Lsj (talk) 20:01, 23 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK. BTW I reverted my requests for deletion that noone cared for for five months.

The distinction between settlement and administrative unit may be the justification for creating two distinct Wikidata items. This is a concept I can understand, though most other Wikipedias don't follow and certainly never will follow, the prevailing notion probably being that the surrounding fields and forests around a settlement are an integral part of that settlement. But there are many case where there are three Wikidata items for municipalities/settlements that are considered one single topic in other Wikipedias; this is the problem I really care about.

One of the many examples for this is Nufringen. There are three Wikidata items about Nufringen (not considering the one on the disambiguation): d:Q557825 (the settlement in most Wikipedias), d:Q32195932 (the settlement), D:Q32195946 (the municipality).

These Wikidata items likely were created because when creating Cebuano Wikipedia items, you did not include interwiki links to the existing items on Nufringen in other Wikipedias. Was this on purpose or by mistake?

Do you agree that one of these Wikidata items is a duplicate and should be merged?

The merge target should be Q557825. But the question is should Q32195932 or Q32195946 be merged?

From the Cebuano Wikipedia perspective, this comes to the question whether the article onthe settlement or the one on the municipality should be connected to the other language articles.

In general, IMHO the more general topic of the two should be merged and the other one regarded a subtopic of the other.

But IMHO there is no unambiguous answer to that question, because it seems there are different notions of what is the more general topic.

One notion is illustrated by the English Wikipedia Stockholm example you linked above: en:Stockholm has sections on history, geography, culture, and also on administration, and that section points to the "main article" on that subtopic which is en:Stockholm Municipality that describes the administrative system of Stockholm, past elections etc. So, in that concept, the settlement is the super topic and the municipality is the subtopic.

The other notion is simply based on geographics: The municipality of Nufringen has a bigger area, which consists of the area of the settlement of Nufringen, some small hamlets and fields and forests.

The question which notion is the relevant one we should IMHO not decide on our own, so I will invite others to join. --Dealerofsalvation (talk) 06:08, 24 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The definition of d:Q557825 in other languages is: Gemeinde in Deutschland/municipality in Baden-Württemberg, Germany/localidad de Baden-Wurtemberg, Alemania/commune allemande/comune tedesco/gemeente in Baden-Württemberg which all mean afaics munisipyo, except maybe for the Spanish definition, which I'm not sure about. --Dealerofsalvation (talk) 07:21, 24 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Concerning interwiki, I did have the bot iw-link the cebwp articles whenever the bot could figure out which articles on other language versions to link to. But I deliberately used a conservative algorithm, to avoid mislinking. This lead to a lot of "false negatives" like Nufringen, where the iw linking algorithm could not determine the proper linking with certainty.

Concerning Nufringen, IMHO the key is property P31 (Instance of) of the wd item. d:Q557825 is an instance of "municipality of Germany", so the municipality d:Q32195946 should be merged into it, not the other one. But I have also seen numerous wd items for towns that have double P31:s, instances of both municipality and settlement, e.g. d:Q11340. In such cases, merging is not proper, and I really do not like this kind of wd items that mixes two types of entities. Lsj (talk) 19:51, 24 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, seems there's nothing to argue against linking munisipyos with existing WD items that also link with German, English etc. articles on municipalities. In de-wp, since 2005 there exist articles about every municipality in Germany, thus there are Wikidata items on all municipalities in Germany, so there is no ceb-wp article on a municipality in Germany that should not share the same Wikidata item with a de-wp article. If a ceb-wp article on a municipality does not, then the Wikidata item is certainly a duplicate that should be merged. If you like a task to do - a lot of people would be grateful if you systematically look for them and merge. There's many ways to unambigously distinguish between different municipalities sharing the same name, starting with the coordinates, next the Landkreis (county/district) to be fetched from Geonames. And you have the opportunity to enhance the ceb wiki articles with more information from Wikidata and the de-wp infoboxes, like coats of arms, postal codes, phone area codes, mayor names and parties etc. --Dealerofsalvation (talk) 19:48, 25 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can be done, but difficult for the general case (not just Germany, 200+ other countries as well) where completeness, distinguishing information, infobox format, etc may differ from Germany. Worth doing for cases like Nufringen where the WD items are genuine duplicates, but I will not contribute to the kind of impure merges between municipalities and settlements that some people argue for. In any case, I do not have a bot flag on Wikidata, and do not wish to start running a bot on WD anyway. My contribution would be limited to gathering the information about which items should be merged and producing a list. Lsj (talk) 12:54, 28 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have raised the issue of duplicates here before, and my opinion of duplicate articles is that they should be merged because they are useless, since they basically contain the same information as each other. The idea that "human settlement is different from legal municipality" does not warrant separate articles. On English Wikipedia and pretty much everywhere else, there is one article that describes the city, both as a "human settlement" and "administrative unit." Any information that would distinguish the two can and does coexist in the same article. Also, as for your example of en:Stockholm and en:Stockholm Municipality, these only have separate articles because the city of Stockholm is actually composed of 11 municipalities, of which Stockholm Municipality is one. "Municipality" therefore means something else in Sweden than in Germany, meaning that its administrative logic cannot simply be forced onto all other European cities. DraconicDark (talk) 13:55, 27 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Btw found this by chance: d:User:Pasleim/projectmerge/enwiki-cebwiki --Dealerofsalvation (talk) 11:10, 28 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the first 10 items in that list. Only two of them were good merger candidates, the rest just coincidentally had the same name without any actual connection. Identifying genuine merger candidates by bot (or genuine iw-link candidates in the original bot run) is a non-trivial task.

Concerning Stockholm, your reasoning is not valid. Enwp distinguishes between municipalities and settlements all over Sweden, and in many cases in other countries as well, regardless of the precise relation between the two. en:Falun and en:Falun Municipality is one example, where the town Falun is totally contained within Falun Municipality, and the municipality contains no other town, just a few villages; nevertheless enwp has two separate articles. Here is a similar example from Bulgaria: en:Bansko - en:Bansko Municipality.

Concerning the general principle, seems like we have to agree to disagree. Lsj (talk) 12:54, 28 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Still, both the English and German Wikipedias don't do this with articles on German cities. One would then have to consider what to do on a case-by-case basis instead of using the same logic for every case. You still have not addressed my point that the duplicate articles contain the exact same information, so there is no value in keeping them around. Is there any reason why we should keep the duplicates if the information distinguishing "settlement" and "municipality" can exist in one article just fine? DraconicDark (talk) 01:01, 29 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Please leave a message" link

By the way, the "Please leave a message" link above does not work for me. I get the response "Permission error. Wala kay permiso nga usba kining panid, tungod sa mosunod nga rason: Naka-lock ang kining panid aron mapugngan ang pag-usab.". However, editing an existing section works. --Dealerofsalvation (talk) 13:10, 21 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried to fix the link. Please test if it works for you now. Lsj (talk) 15:12, 23 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I now get the expected form. I trust saving it would also work. --Dealerofsalvation (talk) 18:09, 23 Oktubre 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please merge two articles

Hello. Would your please merge the two articles Nivå (suba) and Nivå (lungsod). They are about the same Danish town, and I would like to merge the Wikidata entries. Thank you and best regards, --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 13:28, 16 Mayo 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, they are not the same. Nivå (suba) is about a river (suba), not a town. The WD linking was incorrect, I have fixed it now. Lsj (talk) 05:50, 17 Mayo 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lsj, thank you for the merging at Wikidata. I have then connected d:Q21995145 for the river (or "å" in Swedish/Danish) to Nivå (suba) at Wikidata. --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 07:16, 18 Mayo 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What is going on?

Hello, i'm Nilzko and i mostly edit English and Finnish Wikipedia. I noticed that the Cebuano language Wikipedia is broken and lacks high quality articles. Most articles are only a few sentences with different languages mixed in. What are the admins of this Wikipedia going to do about this? Nilzko (talk) 22:39, 9 Hunyo 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is true that most articles on cebwp are fairly short. On the other hand, cebwp has a lot more articles than fiwp, and IMHO it is better to have a short article than no article at all. And the vast majority of articles do have sources, infobox, and proper categorization, even if the main text is short. If you are unhappy about article length on cebwp, please feel free to add appropriate material. More active editors would be helpful.

The vast majority of articles also do not have any sentences in other languages in the main text. Do you have any examples of such text? Lsj (talk) 11:40, 10 Hunyo 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not in other languages but articles may use words from different languages. For example, the article Finlandia has three words for "Finland" that is Pinlandya, Finlandia and Finland. I don't know cebuano language but this makes things confusing and it should be standardized (Like in latin wikipedia.)

While i don't know the language i can try to fix some bad wikicode or infoboxes. Nilzko (talk) 17:49, 10 Hunyo 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have fixed the Finland article. But there is no settled written standard for the Cebuano language in general, including country names. The cebwp community has agreed on this list for country names: Binisayang Ngalan sa mga Nasod ug Kayutaan. My bot has been working for some months now on standardizing country names according to that list. Works fine for bot-written articles, but not always for handwritten ones like Finland, the bot doesn't catch all non-standard name occurrences. Thank you for pointing out that one. Lsj (talk) 07:25, 19 Hunyo 2019 (UTC)[reply]

multiple Israeli geographic articles requiring merging

There is only one Mitzpe Ramon (also spelled in article as Miẕpé Ramon), Naẖal ‘Iddan, Naẖal H̱evyon, Naẖal Milẖan, Naẖal Neqarot, Naẖal Raviv, Naẖal Sharvit and Naẖal Yahel in Israel (found the list searching Southern District (distrito sa Israel)) . Please unify the 3 articles (4 for Mitzpe Ramon and Naẖal Neqarot) representing each item under one name. Thank you, DGtal (talk) 07:06, 19 Hunyo 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also on one Naẖal Yavne'el (he:נחל יבנאל). Can Gumagamit:Lsj or someone else help? Thanks, DGtal (talk) 05:43, 22 Septiyembre 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Karawanken

and others.

I'm trying to cleanup the objects in and around Austria on Wikidata. Very often there are two WD-Objects (and two articles here in WP:ceb) matching the same object in reality. Modelling is tricky, a mountain at the border is a single mountain, not two mountains in different states but with same location. Even if they have different names on both sides. The problem on wikidata now is, that it is impossible to merge two wikidata entries as long as there are two different sitelinks to WP:ceb (and WP:sv - same thing). I usually redirect the duplicates, hoping someone will cleanup here, remove the redirections from corresponding WD entries and merge the two objects on WD. It is difficult to do that, as long as the main article itself on WP:ceb is a disambiguation. Will not link the articles to the disambiguation.

an example:

are all the same mountain range and the only article should be:

Karawanken (which is the disambiguation in that case).

But there are WD entries for each of them.

Can you cleanup the mess?

Furthermore, can you fix all that duplicate stuff along any borders in the world, also for borders for federal states.

Ljsbot should mind Asimov's Roboter laws. Creating that mess of silly objects does harm to the users that try to fix that. Also mind the second law and fix all the stuff you created. br --Herzi Pinki (talk) 13:42, 25 Disyembre 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have now unlinked the various articles on WD and merged accordingly. Hope your bot will not come back and recreate. --Herzi Pinki (talk) 13:46, 25 Disyembre 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kadaň

Hello, please move Kadaň (lungsod sa Nasod nga Czech, lat 50,38, long 13,27) to Kadaň. Both are the same. Thanks, --Janbery (talk) 13:40, 28 Disyembre 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dams and reservoirs

Hello. I am a user in Greek Wikipedia that created some articles about reservoirs and dams of Cyprus. Let me ask my questions through examples.

a) w:el:Τεχνητή Λίμνη Πωμού This is the article about Pomos Reservoir in el.wikipedia. The Wikidata item is d:Q81704063. In the el.wikipedia the article is about the reservoir, with informations about the dam that was built to create the reservoir. In Wikidata there is also d:Q22987345 that is about the dam (the construction). The 2 items are linked with the right properties...

b) There is no special article about the dam in el.wikipedia, so no article is connected to d:Q22987345. But the item is connected with Pomós (alihan sa tubig) of ceb.wikipedia.

My question is: the article in ceb.wikipedia is talking about the reservoir or about the dam or about both? If the article is talking about dam, then nothing must change. But if the article is about the reservoir of about both, then must be moved to d:Q81704063.

Thanks. Xaris333 (talk) 12:08, 19 Enero 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@@ Linya 202: / Linya 202: @@
 Hello. I am a user in Greek Wikipedia that created some articles about reservoirs and dams of Cyprus. Let me ask my questions through examples.
-a) [[:w:el:Τεχνητή Λίμνη Πωμού]] This is the article about Pomos Reservoir. The Wikidata item is [[:d:Q81704063]]. In the el.wikipedia the article is about the reservoir, with information about the dam that was built to create the reservoir. In Wikidata there is also [[:d:Q22987345]] that is about the dam (the
+a) [[:w:el:Τεχνητή Λίμνη Πωμού]] This is the article about Pomos Reservoir in el.wikipedia. The Wikidata item is [[:d:Q81704063]]. In the el.wikipedia the article is about the reservoir, with informations about the dam that was built to create the reservoir. In Wikidata there is also [[:d:Q22987345]] that is about the dam (the construction). The 2 items are linked with the right properties...
-construction). The 2 items are linked with the right properties...
 b) There is no special article about the dam in el.wikipedia, so no article is connected to [[:d:Q22987345]]. But the item is connected with [[Pomós (alihan sa tubig)]] of ceb.wikipedia.