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Maayong pag-abot sa atong tubaan! Kining maong panid gitagana alang sa komunikasyon sa mga miyembro ning atong katilingban sa Wikipedyang Sinugboanon.

Mahimo kang motabang sa paghimo sa Wikipedya ngadto sa usa ka ikapadayeg nga ensiklopedya pinaagi sa pag-usab sa mga nasulat na nga mga artikulo ug pagsulat og mga bag-ong artikulo. Kon maghimo ka og akawnt mangalan kanimo ang imong mga sinulat.


Bot-inflated NUMBEROFARTICLES[usba ang wikitext]

Looking at the "List of Wikipedias" on meta.wiki, you will get the impression that Cebuano is more popular than Swedish or German. This is not the case; a Cebuano fanboy has (inspired by an user on the Volapuk wiki) written a bot to artificially increase the NUMBEROFARTICLES. I propose that all articles created by User:Lsjbot be deleted, and that its creator be globally locked. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 15:01, 23 Septiyembre 2017 (UTC)

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Pagtangtang sa mga artikulong nahimo ni Lsjbot[usba ang wikitext]

Maayong adlaw sa tanan.
Panahon na nga limpyohan na nato ang atong Binisayang Wikipedya. Hapit na ta mahimong kinadak-ang wikipedya, lupigan pa ang Iningles nga wikipedya. Pero sa nakit-an nako pulos bot ang nagahimo'g artikulo dinhi. Mas maayo nga tawo na lang ang magmugna og mga bag-ong artikulo. Ang artikulong de kaledad ang labaw nga mas maayong basehan kumpara sa kantidad. Mahimo lang kini nga tarong kun pagamyan nato ang atong Wikipedya.
Ato na tangtangon ang mga atikulo nahimo ni Lsjbot.
Usa pa, Lsjbot mura'g wa man nato mahisgotan o nauyonan dinhi sa tubaan nga imo himoan og mga artikulo ang tanang lugar sa kalibotan. Jordz (talk) 10:30, 9 Oktubre 2017 (UTC)

Dunay mga artikulo ni Lsjbot nga doble sa artikulo nga naa na kining Wikipedia pananglitan ang duplicate nga artikulo sa mga lungsod ug dakbayan sa Pilipinas. Diha ta pagsugod —Harvzs (talk) 14:26, 3 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)
OK Harvzs, dedlayn na ni karon kay usa na ka buwan ang akong post, ipadayon ko na ang pagtangtang sa mga artikulo. Jordz (talk) 08:53, 9 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)
Hinaot dili ang tanan nga sinulat ni @Lsjbot: ang tangtangon. Halos 100 na bayay akong nahan-ay ato nila karon lang buwana. Gahapon ang ikagatosan nakong pangsahi. --Gzosef walay Hanaw
If you are planning to delete duplicates and erroneous articles, I have no objection. I have already deleted thousands of such articles, and I have more of them marked for checkup -- see e.g. Kategoriya:Kaduhaduhaan mga lanaw paghimo ni bot. But your original post above can be interpreted as proposing the bulk deletion of all Lsjbot articles, something which I strongly oppose. I see no consensus for such a radical move, especially when several people are already engaged in improving the articles and proposing changes in the words and grammar, changes which can be fixed by bot. Lsj (talk) 09:57, 9 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)

Si Gumagami:Lsjbot wala na manugang og artikulo, igo na lang siya nang-edit. Pero naay laing nagapanugang nga daw pud bot. Si Gumagami:Qu0404, kiwaw kaayo ang han-ay sa iyang Binisaya. Unsaon man nato ni? Josefwintzent Libot (talk) 18:21, 10 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)

5 million plus articles for a very small Wikipedia community such as ours is obviously very unsustainable and unmanageable. There are multiple reasons why Lsjbot-created articles should be deleted. Here's one: There was no request by you Lsj and your Lsjbot to create articles on every geographic feature of this planet. But you just went on deciding on your own to import places and geo features from a database, an endeavor that is indeed akin to the Great Flood. That was no small feat, and now you ask for consensus when you didn't ask one before? This is blatant abuse on your part. I was on leave, entrusting you Lsj to act in good faith as an admin of our wiki. With this, let's wait for the fate of cebwp from the decision of metawiki, and after that if our wikipedia remains open, I'll immediately delete those articles.
@Jordz, your decision is no different from that of Lsjbot if you proceed deleting them all even those that are being improved. That is not the constructive way to do it. Rather than delete, we should rather find effective ways of improving it. --Josefwintzent Libot (talk) 09:48, 11 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)
@Jordz:. I did ask the community before deciding to create geography articles. See [1] and [2]. The community did not answer, but I did ask. You could have voiced your concerns at that time. Lsj (talk) 10:43, 11 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)

Lsj, you should have practiced restraint. Anyway, moving forward, you know the inherent manageability issue of the sheer number of articles in the millions. You know quite well the technical side of this, like updating constantly changing data and info. It will take so much time and resources not only on your part but the whole contributors of wikipedia the world over. That's why I said that this is not sustainable. Again we are a very small online community and updating/editing/improving all those articles would be painstakingly cumbersome and slow, we're talking years or decades even. Unless we want a wikipedia that is trivial and dated or just a mirror repository of the contents of a geo database. Also, page creators/vandals and spammers will be so hard to catch hidden among the millions of pages.
Secondly, for everyone's guidance and this is of paramount importance of what a wikipedia is - Notability. It simply means that an article should be notable to deserve a page entry on its own. Remember that our target audience/reader and contributors are the Cebuano-speaking people. Clicking on the random article button, will a reader be contented and amazed to spend time reading about a hill somewhere? As a contributor will you be proud of the content and the quality?
I'm not for deletion of all Lsjbot-articles per se, notable geo features should be retained. But due to technical aspects, as I see it, this is quite tedious. My estimate is there are less than a million notable articles from the 4-million plus. But yes if Lsj can do something, to selectively choose geo entries, then no need for mass deletion. Btw, deletion of an article is not like it will be lost in wikispace forever, it's still there and can be undone with all its form (provided our wiki wont be closed). Thanks! :) Jordz (talk) 07:56, 12 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)

Re: Vandalism. That can actually be detected by the article author.
Re: Random search. That is not the common nor the proper way to use wiki. People actually search by name.
Re: What must be done.
  • First, correct the grammar of these articles into proper Cebuano so that reading them is enjoyable. Format properly if necessary.
  • Create a page/articles where the related geonames, species and whatever can be grouped together and use these Lsjbot created article as link. In that way cebwiki will become interesting to read.
--Josefwintzent Libot (talk) 08:32, 12 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)
@Jordz:, thank you for a thoughtful post where you raise some valid concerns.
  • Concerning notability, I considered this when planning the project, and programmed the bot to do a fair bit of filtering. The 4 million articles are selected from around 10 million items in the Geonames database. I tightened the filters a couple of times during the project. Both the original filtering, and the eventual tightening, were done after consensus on Swedish wikipedia. We may well discuss here as well where the threshold for notability should lie on cebwp, and if we do reach a consensus about further filtering, Lsjbot can probably help. But we should keep in mind the global perspective that is one aspect of NPOV - a place doesn't become less notable just because it's far away from Cebu. And we should also keep in mind that Cebuano-speakers travel all over the world in search of work or love. For a guy in Cebu considering a job as a seaman on a ferry going to a small island in Canada, or a lady in Dipolog chatting with a guy in a small village in Norway, it is valuable to have articles in their native language about that island and that village, even if those places are not globally famous. And we don't know in advance which village will be relevant for some Cebuana, so we better cover them all. Given the widespread diaspora from Philippines, I believe we should be generous with geographic notability.
  • Concerning vandalism and spamming, the main parameter here is not number of articles, but number of daily edits. As long as Recent Changes remains a short list and we have at least one sysop who is reasonably active, keeping after vandals is a manageable problem. I'm going through all cebwp edits on a near-daily basis, checking all that might be suspect.
  • Concerning maintenance and updating, bot-created articles actually have an advantage. They can be updated with a bot, whereas hand-written articles typically need to be updated by hand. In any case, I believe the maintenance of basic data like population figures should be migrated to Wikidata within the near future, and maintained there, with articles automatically picking facts from Wikidata.
  • Concerning random articles, I agree with Josefwintzent that this is not the purpose of wikipedia. But when the same issue was raised on Swedish wikipedia, some clever guy found a technical solution. There are now two different random-article options on Swedish wikipedia, one normal and one that only selects among handwritten articles. We could borrow that solution, if we wish.
Lsj (talk) 10:23, 12 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)
Ang mga heyograpikal nga mga artikulo sa Lsjbot sa Sugbo sa kinatibuk-an naglangkob sa sama nga kasayuran sama niadtong anaa sa Swedish wikipedia. Ang usa ka sistematikong pagkontrol sa kalidad nga akong gihimo mahitungod sa ilang Lsjbot nakamugna og mga artikulo sa Nicaragua busa mahimong may kalabutan sa imong panaghisgutan. Pinaagi sa paggamit sa opisyal nga mga estatistikanhong istorya ug opisyal nga mga mapa gikan sa Nicaragua, usa ka summary:
  • Mga Kabukiran sa Nicaragua: Usa ka aberids nga 2.1 ka mga sayup matag artikulo. 89% adunay sayop nga gitas, kini usahay sobra sa 100 metros nga sayup.
  • Mga lungsod sa Nicaragua: Usa ka aberids nga 1.5 ka mga sayup sa kada artikulo. 93% adunay sayop nga gidaghanon sa populasyon, ug kini usahay sobra sa 100% nga sayup.
Ang rason alang niini nga mga sayop dili Lsjbot kada se, apan ang daghang mga sayop nga anaa sa Geonames database nga gigamit sa Lsjbot. Nahadlok ko nga ang gidaghanon sa mga sayup susama sa mga artikulo bahin sa mga bahin sa geograpiya sa ubang mga nasud. Ang akong kasinatian mao nga ang mga biological nga mga artikulo nga gibuhat sa Lsjbot adunay mas taas nga kalidad. Martinogk (talk) 18:48, 16 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC) (uban ang pasaylo sa akong gisulat nga Cebuano)

presenting the project Wikipedia Cultural Diversity Observatory and asking for a vounteer in Cebuano Wikipedia[usba ang wikitext]

Hello everyone, My name is Marc Miquel and I am a researcher from Barcelona (Universitat Pompeu Fabra). While I was doing my PhD I studied whether an identity-based motivation could be important for editor participation and I analyzed content representing the editors' cultural context in 40 Wikipedia language editions. Few months later, I propose creating the Wikipedia Cultural Diversity Observatory in order to raise awareness on Wikipedia’s current state of cultural diversity, providing datasets, visualizations and statistics, and pointing out solutions to improve intercultural coverage.

I am presenting this project to a grant and I expect that the site becomes a useful tool to help communities create more multicultural encyclopaedias and bridge the content culture gap that exists across language editions (one particular type of systemic bias). For instance, this would help spreading cultural content local to Cebuano Wikipedia into the rest of Wikipedia language editions, and viceversa, make Cebuano Wikipedia much more multicultural. Here is the link of the project proposal: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Wikipedia_Cultural_Diversity_Observatory_(WCDO)

I am searching for a volunteer in each language community: I still need one for the Cebuano Wikipedia. If you feel like it, you can contact me at: marcmiquel *at* gmail.com I need a contact in your every community who can (1) check the quality of the cultural context article list I generate to be imported-exported to other language editions, (2) test the interface/data visualizations in their language, and (3) communicate the existance of the tool/site when ready to the language community and especially to those editors involved in projects which could use it or be aligned with it. Communicating it might not be a lot of work, but it will surely have a greater impact if done in native language! :). If you like the project, I'd ask you to endorse it in the page I provided. In any case, I will appreciate any feedback, comments,... Thanks in advance for your time! Best regards, --Marcmiquel (talk) 14:07, 10 Oktubre 2017 (UTC) Universitat Pompeu Fabra, Barcelona

I can represent Cebuano Wikipedia if no other guy has stepped forward yet. Hopefully you can instruct me what is to be done. What I only caught up so far is this project is about preserving/protecting the cultural diversity of the world and finding ways that this diversity will be represented in the internet as well as to allow access to knowledge that are culture and region based and therefore are inaccessible to people outside these regions/culture. I am hoping for a response. --Josefwintzent (talk)

Proposal to close this wiki[usba ang wikitext]

I am proposing that this project be moved to Incubator, due to the LSJbot and the poor quality of the articles. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 20:26, 23 Oktubre 2017 (UTC)

Can you please clarify what makes e.g. the handwritten article Cairo so infinitely superior to a bot-written article about the same city, that it motivates such drastic measures? Lsj (talk) 06:15, 24 Oktubre 2017 (UTC)
"Grodno Oblast mopakigbahin sa usa ka utlanan sa Brest Oblast, Vitebsk Oblast, Minsk Oblast, Podlaskie Voivodeship, Alytus, ug 維爾紐斯縣". KATMAKROFAN (talk) 02:02, 29 Oktubre 2017 (UTC)
Additionally, a number of Victoria Parks are nonsense, because they aren't really existing in Australia. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:25, 4 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)
If occasional errors were sufficient reason to close down a wiki, no manually written wiki would survive for long. Lsj (talk) 10:24, 4 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)

Please do not close this wiki. Otherwise our effort would be wasted. Please do not listen to envy of some people due to the increase in the number of articles.

Closure no, clean-up yes... Jordz (talk) 08:18, 9 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)

Lsjbot[usba ang wikitext]

Palihog ko og usab sa mga artikulo nga susama sa

https://ceb.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshmīpuram_Channel

ug isuon ana nga han-ay.

Puyde pud tudloan ko nimo unsaon pag-usab sa bot aron ako na lay usab.

How much programming experience do you have? The bot software for creating new articles is available at my Github page. Software for fixing specific errors in a set of articles is also there. Feel free to use and modify the software as you wish, and feel free to ask me at Hisgot sa gumagamit:Lsj if you have questions. If you are looking for other articles about mga kanal, see Kategoriya:Mga kanal sa nasud. Lsj (talk) 18:37, 6 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)
Unfortunately my programming skill is primitive. I only have basic knowledge of C++ but can automate a report in paragraph form and mimic like written by a human simulated with human idiosyncrasies using ms excel. So the data formatting part might already been covered. It is on the syntaxis of the programming language that will be a big problem though. --Josefwintzent Libot

Nominasyon nga mahimong Tigdumala o Admin si Josefwintzent_Libot[usba ang wikitext]

Ginominar ko si User:Josefwintzent_Libot nga mahimong "Admin" o Tigdumala dinhi sa Wikipedia. Palihug paghisgot ug pag-voto sa nominasyon sa panid nga Wikipedia:Tigdumala/Josefwintzent_Libot. Kining panid gihimo sumala sa karong proseso sa pagnominar sa mga admin sa Wikipedia:Mga_hangyo_nga_mahimong_tigdumala.

Lsjbot priority list[usba ang wikitext]

It has become clear from the discussion on Facebook:Cebuano Wikipedia Initiative and elsewhere that there is much to be improved in the articles created by Lsjbot. The bot is currently running at full speed doing such improvement tasks. But there are many tasks to be done, and I would like community input in setting priorities. I have a created a table here with a list of tasks: Gumagamit:Lsjbot/Priorities. I would appreciate your input in what should be done in which order. Please feel free to add tasks and change priorities. Lsj (talk) 16:31, 17 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)

Ideas for manual article creation[usba ang wikitext]

For those who wish to contribute new articles to cebwp, but are unsure of what to write about, I would like to call attention to the following two lists:

Lsj (talk) 16:45, 17 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)

New print to pdf feature for mobile web readers[usba ang wikitext]

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 22:07, 20 Nobiyembre 2017 (UTC)


Please rate the quality of Sebuan translations[usba ang wikitext]

As part of the international competition for writing articles devoted to the Don region of Russia, the participant of the competition was written over 150 articles in Sebu language - the bulk of the articles here. Upon completion of the competition it became clear that the participant does not speak the language, which affected the quality of translations.

The question is, to the speakers of the Sebuan language and at the same time to the wikipedists, how to consider the participant's contribution to Wikipedia in the Sibu language, as constructive, but demanding to be worked out, or how destructive? JukoFF (talk) 13:10, 11 Disyembre 2017 (UTC)

I am not a native speaker either, but I noticed the activities of Qweadsqwe while it was going on. I checked most of the articles for general wiki-ness and accuracy, and apart from language which I am not qualified to judge, they are generally constructive contributions. Some items may be of marginal relevance, but they generally have interwiki to at least ruwp. The user was also responsive, at first he did not add categories and interwikis, but after I did it for him a few times he started doing it on his own. Lsj (talk) 13:20, 11 Disyembre 2017 (UTC)